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Catherine Zahn

The case involving Vincent Li is tragic and deeply upsetting. We know that the severity of an offense though is not the best predictor of how someone can progress in their recovery.

By focusing on punishment instead of the treatment that is necessary for an individual to become well, a person may be slower to progress and more demoralized, with no gain in public safety. Providing the best possible mental health care is the best way to ensure public safety.
 on 3/26/2013 4:56 PM

Catherine Zahn

Hi Roy -  I share your concerns that high-profile media cases have driven these reforms. It is important for the public to be aware that the current system works – people who are designated NCR receive the treatment and rehabilitation that they need to become well and the public and victims are safe. 

Is the law perfect?  No.  And we at CAMH support changes that would increase victim involvement in the NCR process.  Other changes such as the creation of the ‘high risk’ designation, however, may actually put the public at higher risk by focusing on detention and not treatment.  We will continue our advocacy work with the government in this area.
 on 3/26/2013 3:42 PM

Blabby

In my mind, it really deprends on the nature of the crime.  NCR is indeed a rarity amongst both mentally ill people and within the justice system, but in cases where the crime is particularly egregious-- the case of Vincent Li comes to mind-- longer periods of hospitalization and greater victim access to the entire process do not seem to me to be a bad thing.  It's not that the intention is to punish, but to ensure treatment compliance and recovery.  Nothing anyone says is going to convince me that Vincent Li, someone so psychotic that they were capable of decapitating and dismembering another human being, is going to be "better" within the span of a year.
 on 3/26/2013 12:26 PM

Roy Bonadonna

It seems to me that the government is indeed simply reacting to a few hig-profile cases in the media without any adequate consultation, and this is sad.  The system, though far from perfect, does work, I'm proof of that, yet the government would have us believe that these proposed changes are necessary to guarantee public safety. In so doing they are sending out a very negative message about mental illness and those who commit crimes, i.e., "high risk" offenders will not improve, so lets lock them up for at least 3 years.  Again, sad.
 on 3/26/2013 10:41 AM

annick aubert

We must indeed have a robust discussion, but in order to do so we must familiarize ourselves with the wording of the proposed Bill-C54 (the NCR Reform Act ), its impact on Review Boards, and the remarks of the Prime Minister when he introduced the Bill. Both the Act and  the Prime Minister's remarks (accompanied by a video ) are easily accessible on the web.
Let's talk !
 on 2/17/2013 10:28 AM

Jim Ross

I am currently mentoring a young man who is in forensic detention at CAMH after being found NRC by the courts. Although he is receiving excellent care and treatment, the process is slow and at times frustrating.

A quick review of the proposed changes to the NCR Reform Act seems to make no distinction about the seriousness of the crime or the likelyhood of rehabilitation. Murder is not the same as common assault...yet seem to be lumped together...this is not right and could delay the release of the individual back into the community when it is deemed safe by the ORB.

The proposed changes require thorough review and imput by the stakeholders before being implimented.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
 on 2/15/2013 4:16 PM

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